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Don't Support Sues by Razzl3erry Don't Support Sues by Razzl3erry
I do tend to check the galleries of the people who fave this stamp. I'm going to laugh so hard if someone with a Sue faves this stamp, srsly.

I'm sorry, but in most cases that I've seen, people who support Mary Sues have them. They just don't want to admit that Sues are annoying, so they claim that "people should be allowed to create what they want!". I'm sorry, but no. Just...no. If you're going to make a character, give it some thought. Real people have flaws. Grow up and actually put some effort into your character.

I'm not talking about a character that needs work, I'm talking about the characters who are just so bad they need to be killed with fire and rise from the ashes as a different character.

To support a Sue basically the same as supporting a lack of creativity.

Characters should be balanced both in appearance and personality. Be realistic!

It's okay to have a powerful character, as long as they have flaws. It's okay to have a beautiful character as long as she isn't the love interest of every boy. It's okay to have a character with cat ears if it's a headband, or natural in their world.

Sue traits are all fine and dandy as long as they are used correctly and are balanced.

Please note that this doesn't apply to ALL people. Just some. I'm basing this off my own experiences.

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I realize that some people make Sues for fun.
I realize that everyone made Sues at one point in their lives, I did too.

And if you're only argument for the support of Sues is "People can create what they want" or "You're not forced to look at it!" Then just don't even bother commenting. Those are weak arguments that I won't discuss.

Actually, I only sort of take that back.

=littlealiengirl made a good point:

"I am actually of the "people should be allowed to create what they want!" camp. They should be. However that doesn't mean that anyone has to like what they create. I think that's the distinction a lot of people don't get."

And she's right, I very much don't like the things some people create. To me, it doesn't make it less wrong or less annoying for people to make Mary Sues. Some Sue makers are just stubborn, easy to get defensive, and refuse to better their characters. That's something that bothers me, people who refuse to improve. I don't have to like it, and I'm not going to. If we're going to go the "EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION" route, my opinion is that no. People shouldn't make Mary Sues. I never said they aren't allowed to, but they shouldn't. :/

Articles about what a Mary Sue is:
[link] by `salshep
[link] Wikipedia
[link] Encyclopedia Dramatica

Mary Sue Tests (Because I know you all loooooove them:

[link] Universal Litmus Test

I'm posting this test's rules because I want to make sure people ACTUALLY READ THEM. It clears up a lot of confusion and frustration. Now you've seen the rules two different places. :/

How to use this test:
Answer all questions for which the answer is 'yes' or 'technically yes' unless the item mentioned is commonplace in the universe you are writing for. If most people in your story's world have wings, skip the question about flying. If it's established that anyone can have technicolor hair (as in many Japanese cartoons) pink coifs don't apply as "unusually" colored hair. If your character had an exotic name because you make up most of your characters' names, you would not answer yes to having an unusual-sounding name that you made up. Sue-ness is relative. ;)

If your character is a role-playing character and the only reason you can answer 'yes' is because of other players acting of their own free wills (IE, everyone has their characters throwing themselves at your character's feet and you've done nothing to force this) do not answer yes to the corresponding question.

Make sure that you answer the questions properly depending on what type of universe your character is in:
Fanfiction - a story set in a world you didn't make up.
Original Fiction - a story set in a world you made up yourself.
RPG - Role-Playing Game.

If you see a question that looks like it's been linked, rest your cursor over it - it contains a tool tip, which should contain further information on the subject.

Please, please, please remember that these are the symptoms, not the disease. I am not implying that each of these traits is inheirently bad and should be avoided at all costs. Think of them as being like salt or spices - they serve to enhance the dish when used in the right amounts, but when used too liberally, the result tends to be quite unappetizing.

While it is true that some writers are skilled enough to pull off characters that fall into the 'Sue category, do not assume that you are one of them. I've seen plenty of Sue-authors fall into this trap. Instead, go out and get feedback from people more experienced in reading/writing, preferably adults. Not teenagers. Adults.

Furthermore, this test has never been nor probably will be perfect. At best, I can only offer it as a guide, not an instruction manual.

UPDATE: Many people who have taken this test have claimed it's impossible to get a non-Sue unless your character is a plain ordinary human, or that my test is biased against fantasy characters. I've used this test on several fantasy characters, including characters from certain popular video games and other media, and they came out just fine. So perhaps your character is a bit more of a Sue than you want to admit. ;)



[link] The Original Fiction Mary-Sue Litmus Test

If you think the test is bullshit, please take the Universal Litmus test for one of your OCs/FCs/RPCs and tell me the results. I want to be sure you're not just butthurt that your character is a Sue according to the test. Don't cheat!
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drn1234 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
I agree! I'm tired of the "shut up about Mary sues."," if you hate Mary sues so much make something something better!" Ext stamps!uggghhh! There's only one anti anti Mary Sue stamp.but im looking for it though.thank you for making this stamp!
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No problem!
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iWhiteblaze Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Idk if you would put my character, Whiteblaze, in the Mary-Sue category or not. I'm the kind of person who is scared to add special traits to my character(s) because people might hate on him/her. I might possibly have a Mary-Sue, but I wouldn't know it, because I'm unsure of what is and isn't Mary-Sue.

And I may or may not be a hypocrite when I say this, but I do find Mary-Sues annoying. Very annoying.

Could you tell me if you think some of my OCs are Mary-Sue? I seriously don't know if one is or not. I'm specifically talking about my character, Whiteblaze. Soooooo… could you maybe? I'm not trying to be a bother or anything. I just want an opinion ^^;
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think I feel comfortable giving you pointers. I don't wanna steer you in the wrong direction! haha

you can always take the mary-sue litmus test!
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iWhiteblaze Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
The problem is that I'm afraid that it will turn out to say that my oc is a Mary-Sue, even if she's not in any specific show, but her own story. :T
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It takes things that are natural in the character's world into account.

Don't be afraid of finding out your character is a Mary Sue, it just means you need to work on them more.
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iWhiteblaze Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Problem with things that are the character's world: I make my own character's world.

thanks for the advice. ^^
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And that's fine, if they're original that implies you created the world they live in. Otherwise they would have to live in someone else's world, thus making them fan characters.
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iWhiteblaze Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
So, I can make up my own laws for her world, even her being able to jump through dimensions and all? I feel like if I do that, too many people will give me shit. ;3;
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I mean, if it's something that's natural in the world and it's not like "Mary is the only one who can do it!!!!" then I'd say that's fair. Jumping dimensions isn't a super uncommon theme to have in a story haha
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celestialgarbage Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014
"People who support a thing do that thing!!! I'm mad change my diaper."
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ok
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zombiecop88 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014
truth
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LadyQueenBee Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My first few OCs were Mary Sues. I got rid of them because as I got better at character development, I realized that they were pretty shitty. For my current characters, I took Litmus Tests for them and they all said that they were well balanced characters.
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SuperFlameKitty Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Same thing happened to me when I first started out.
All mary-sues.
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Katrina20Lin10 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I was an anti sue person
...and I made a horribly bad sue during that time...which now makes me all the more anti sue.
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AnimeGirl1235 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll admit, that at one time, I had very Mary Sue like characters. Now however, when creating OC's, they don't seem to be very Mary Sue like at all. I mean, maybe someone else could spot the Sue-ness in them, I don't know.

I think it's brilliant that you've linked us to this test. I actually used to take one, but I lost the webpage. But... the link is broken. The litmus test is moved and then the link after is broken.. I could always find another one! Very good job on this stamp! I like the colors used and the validity of it!
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Everyone made Mary Sues at some point. I used to make horrible Sues and self insert characters! lol I think people grow out of Sues eventually. Some don't.

Thank you!
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AnimeGirl1235 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahh so true!

Haha I feel you! Those days.. haha! Yea some people.. I know this one person on Gaia Onilne in several Guilds and ALL her characters are different mainstreams/Mary Sues! Like the utter beautiful ones who anyone comes in contact with is enchanted. Pff, yea right. Among others, but boy, I'm glad I'm out of that. 

You're welcome! And here's a working Sue Test! I actually found the one I normally take! www.katfeete.net/writing/marys…
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Swidgey Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I made a somewhat sue sparkle dog just for the fun of drawing it. But If I wanted to use it in an RP or a comic, I wouldn't. 
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's fine by me. Sues really only bother me if people use them as serious characters and can't recognize their character is a sue.
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Swidgey Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Agreed.
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KFCMiyu Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's good because it's true. People don't put time into their characters most of the time, look at Bella Swan.
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Amen.
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They're still shitty characters.
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jasmin-uzumaki Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
yes your right YOU are still shitty =D
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're not clever.

Get over yourself.
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jasmin-uzumaki Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
you call it marry sue^^
I call it intresting =D xD
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Rosemary-the-Skunk Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's funny 'cause it's true.
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mmmhm!
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Rosemary-the-Skunk Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Seriously, all those "You call her 'Mary-Sue, I call her interesting" stamps are just filled with butthurt Sue-generators.
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly!
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SoulSilverHeartGold Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student Digital Artist
So wait, a Mary Sue is a character that's like unrealistically, super "perfect" and has traits that are essentially impossible, but are for the purpose of awesomeness, and such, right?

If so, they bother me a LOT. I love giving characters cool powers and traits, 'cuz no one wants all their characters to be absolute losers, but they need flaws too. No one's perfect, and that actually makes characters BETTER when they have problems, rather than worse.
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nothing is wrong with cool traits, as long as they make sense in the world they live in. I mean, one of my characters is possessed by a demon. Cliche, right? Haha! You're right, flaws are what make a character interesting and more real because people are flawed too.
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SoulSilverHeartGold Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Of course nothing's wrong with cool traits, I'm just saying that 1: they must make sense in-universe (as you pointed out) and 2: they probably shouldn't have ten times as many powers as everyone else (even if all of them make sense individually, in-universe, and even if your character is some kind of "chosen legend" or something). At least that's my opinion.

Of course, the best way to avoid Sue-ing characters is simply to give them realistic character flaws, and then however awesome they are, they seem less fake, 'cuz they have more than one narrow dimension to their personality.
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Superstar360 Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
Probably the worst mary-sue I've ever seen. [link]
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner May 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No way man, this is brilliant. HOW DARE YOU MOCK HER ORIGINALITY AND BEAUTYYYY
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Superstar360 Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
Beauty? You mean by those boobs that are bigger than her head? Those derpy eyes? And that corny heart-shaped tattoo or birthmark on her ass? And another thing, how could someone be able to raise 78 siblings? You'd have to pretty sane to do that. =/
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner May 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I was being sarcastic.
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Superstar360 Featured By Owner May 18, 2012
I know, I was just playing along. :)
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner May 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ohh! xD
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SoulSilverHeartGold Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Lols, your signature about Nintendo is great. :)
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks!
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lucas420 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i've noticed that, too. :o usually those who are "more artistically open minded and support any character" usually have really bad characters that are.. sometimes even worse than the character in question before..

not that my ocs are good, but at least i'll admit mine suck XD
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Endivie11 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012
Itīs almost funny how you guys rant about drawings. And yes, everyone should be able to draw what they like. Donīt like Mary Sues? Donīt look at them. If the creator has fun making them, whatever! :shrug: I donīt support them because I donīt like them and most opther people as well. But I donīt support a lot of other things so what? Itīs just a drawing, get over it!
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, people can draw what they want, but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to like it. And if we're going to use the whole "people can do what they want" argument...if people are allowed to draw what they want, I can express my opinion how I want to. If I don't like Sues, I can do what I want and make a stamp about it. It's just a stamp, get over it! :shrug:

And it's hard not to look at Sues when they're EVERYWHERE.
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Endivie11 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012
Do you really think a stamp would stop them from making Mary Sues then? Of course no one has to like them. I donīt like them either but I donīt see any reasons to rant about drawings. Theyīre not hurting anyone. But whatever floats in your boat...
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Razzl3erry Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uhm...no, of course I don't. But I can make stamp ranting about Mary Sues if I want, just like someone can draw a Mary Sue if they want. Do you honestly think that you commenting on my stamp telling me that people can do what they want is going to change my opinion? Don't like the stamp? Don't look at it.
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KawaiiSpy Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2011
Omg. Yes. And I've noticed when it comes to fanfiction, they will violently group up and attack people for pointing that out. I'm sure it happens on here too, with the vast amount of god awful OC things I've had the misfortune of seeing against my will.

It is fun to make parody Sues and see if people still like them. Because honest to shit, no matter how AWFUL and BLATANT a parody Sue is, there will be somebody out there who genuinely enjoys it and doesn't understand it was made to poke fun of them.
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